Hehehe nice...

But in CTV news it showed 77% of the rest of the country disapprove. Not good, this could be opening a can of worms. Why should one region, which in no way has less than any other province, if not more, get a speical title?

Also because no one knows what a "nation" is, this just causes a never ending discussion/argument that will lead us back to Meech and a referendum. Good work Harper, good work useless, mindless, robotic MPs.

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"There is no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation" - Pierre Trudeau

“No one is more enslaved than a slave who doesn't think they're enslaved.” - Kate Beckinsale

im from alberta and god damn it i want to be a nation within a nation. actually im from edmonton so i want to be a nation within a nation within a nation. when does this madness stop. the only reason quebec wants seperation is because they have a different culture. well albertans have there own culture to-redneck, homophobic, polluting, rich alcoholics.

canada IS multicultural, and i know that many quebecois like to think theyre better than most other cultures but theyre not. theyre just another culture in canadas cultural mosaic. the 50% or so quebecois need to stop complaining and move on. the only way they will be able to seperate is by taking up arms and forcefully seperating. good luck with this because once we stop your transfer payments you wont even be able to buy a slingshot.

and if there is a referendum it must include all of canada as it affects us all.

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Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Diplomacy is the art of letting someone else get your way.

"There is no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation" - Pierre Trudeau

“No one is more enslaved than a slave who doesn't think they're enslaved.” - Kate Beckinsale

Actually this is incorrect. Were Quebec to become an independant nation our treaties with Canada would only apply to Canada. Since Quebec would no longer be part of Canada none of them would apply to Quebec. More importantly it would give us a reason to re-evaluate the whole notion of NAFTA to begin with, it has been an abysmal failure.

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

Whatever man, Quebec people should also have the freedom to declare independence, and Canada should be happy to give them whatever they demand.

I read the Four pages... and what I can say is


GOOD LUCK !


because, I know the quebecers (I have been there several times and spend more than two years in Quebec city) and to be frank with you, it will never stop. They will never give up. The reason which Quebec is not an independant nation is due to the part of the english speaker who are living in Montreal and who don't want to quit the canadian nation. For the rest... I'm sorry to tell to the english speakers but the majority of the quebecers don't like you too much. They don't want to live with you anymore, especially in the countryside.

Anyway, good luck.

Come on Gort ... There are only five million of them. How could they be "detrimental" to your interests ?

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They can leave the country if they want out. Quebec wasn't taken over, occupied, nothing at Confederation. They joined willingly. This is not a repressed people whatsoever. This country is officially bilingual, every Federal sign is in both languages, Quebec is no worse treated than any other province in the country, and nearly half (or more) of Quebecers don't want to leave. This is not your average case of a part of a country wanting to seperate. Quebec is part of Canada not the other way around. Anyone in this country is free to leave, nothing is holding them here.

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Diplomacy is the art of letting someone else get your way.

"There is no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation" - Pierre Trudeau

“No one is more enslaved than a slave who doesn't think they're enslaved.” - Kate Beckinsale

They do, and they've voted twice not to. Now I didn't see New Brunswick firing missiles at Quebec, I see no army massing along the ontario border staging "attack quebec" wargames.

really! they dont like us. that hurts. thats a pretty broad generalization for somebody thats lived in quebec for a whole 2 years.

by the way i have met french canadians who want to stay in canada. its not just the english speakers in montreal. canada is a nation right now. and the question of seperation should be brought to all canadians not just the quebecois. as i said before it affects us all.

anyways its all wishful thinking because it will never happen. not in our life time anyways. i met a quebecer in greece once and i asked him why he wants to seperate and he honestly answered: "because da woman are prettier and we are smarter" that answer alone shows me it will never happen. my response:"go ahead leave, nobody in the west really cares, it might even give me a job teaching your children to read in a 3rd world country called quebec"

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It isn't the Quebecers that are detrimental Sucre it is NAFTA. If Quebec were to leave the Cnadian union we would not have a NAFTA treaty with them and it would give us the perfect opportunity to re-evaluate the treaty with the rest of Canada.

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

Is this the failure of federalism? and therefor the success of centralize nation?
or is this the failure of federalism country who have many different cultures? (Canada, but also Belgium(Waloons, Flanders), and to another extent Iraq(Kurds, Chiites, Sunnites...))

What do you think? I always saw federalism as a good soltution to decentralize states, but now... I am not really sure ??

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This is a very distinct issue. It has existed for decades, every attempt at a solution causes more trouble. No Quebec leaving is not a solution. It is not violent, no one is repressed or terrorized, it is a province that recieves the same treatment as the rest of us. I like Quebec a lot, it is part of Canada, it is a province within a nation, it is part of a federation. The last referendum was 50.5% no to seperation, 49.5% yes. Thus have of the province doesn't want to leave, and those people should not be forced to leave their country because some people are upset. As if they won't be upset with a Quebec Government as a country. This whole country is different cultures and we are not going to carve it up, if someone wants out, no one is forced to stay, move away. Quebec is a founding province of this nation, it came together in agreement and peace. There is no justification for it to seperate nor for Canada to advocate or assist in it. Absolutely not.

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Diplomacy is the art of letting someone else get your way.

"There is no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation" - Pierre Trudeau

“No one is more enslaved than a slave who doesn't think they're enslaved.” - Kate Beckinsale

Politically, I also see federalism as the only way. Even the French have had to go this way when they've recognised some kind of independance to Corsica.

However, it is not sufficient. Nationalism is an emotional issue that has little to do with hoe "good" or actually "repressed" tha nation is.

Personally, I think that the thrive to independance of smaller groups is ludicrous. They will lose more (actual independance - dependance can also be of economic and political nature) than they will gain (independance on the paper).

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it is not a big deal, I say the truth, It is what I saw for my Two years. You know you can disagree with me, it was an opinion, just my opinion. But I can tell you that the majority of quebecers I've met told me they didn't want to live with you anymore. And they were young the most of the time. It's not my fault you know, and as it's not my buisness I have no reason to lie.