I, too, enjoy listening to Barak Obama speak. He's clearly an intelligent guy, and very articulate.

I don't have a single reason to vote for him, but I enjoy listening to him speak...

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Perhaps because it is true.

And one of the biggest lobbies who will opposed this are the sleaze malpractice attorneys. There is simply no way universal healthcare can work without reining in the ridiculous jury awards for junk science medical malpractice cases.

I don't know. Who suggested such a silly thing?

Yeah, when and if they elect to allow you to have the procedure. I have personally known people who have waited for months just to be seen in Canada, and waited even longer for testing like MRI / CT scanning that is readily available here.

One of thing things you don't have up there which I greatly admire you for is packs of ravenous, sleazy lawyers ready and willing to sue anyone for anything.

We have attorneys here who make an extravagant living suing doctors for things that probably had nothing to do with the medical care given. Case in point, John Edwards, Kerry's running mate.

This is a guy who would stand before juries and claim to hear the voice of dead babies (or living, sick ones) telling him to speak for them. And he made millions doing it.

If your healthcare system had to feed a couple dozen John Edwards', you'd be in sorry shape right quick.

Matt

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Slanderous? He admits he was an alcoholic, his statement on cocaine usage to the effect of "Up until point x I could say I had never tried cocaine" implies that after point x he couldn't say that because at point x he tried it.

Whether he was a good governor is up to debate, but he was a failure of a business man.

Now you say he hasn't spent enough time in the senate and view that as a weakness. In reality its a strength, it means that there isn't much that can be used against him. A senator or representative has an incredibly hard time running on the national scale because of all the votes they've traded, because of all the bills they had to vote against because of a poison pill, Obama doesn't have to deal with that.

Readily availabe if you can afford to have one done. That is true.

I agree that is a problem in Canada, but not in critical cases. We practice triage for these things, and people who are in more dire medical circumstances can get bumped up the que...

But yes. Wait times are an issue in Canada.



The other thing we dont have are health insurance companies, that is an equal problem to the malpractice lawyer.

One of the benefits of universal health is that it is almost impossible to sue for malpractice because any case goes up against the crown, not against a private individual. Its difficult to sue the government (given the resources they have). Only in cases of extreme negligence are people able to sue, like a drunk doctor in the OR... things like that. And settlements are made in those cases, it wont go to trial.

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really ?..middle class huh...dream on.....know what the per semester tution is at Harvard ? or tuition at columbia? pleeeease...peddle that fish somewhere else.....and the parochial school he attended with its "legacies et al"?...uh huh.....

oh and I already checked ...he did not get there on scholarships......

so all this he's risen from the muck is just Dem. propaganda.....which you seem ready to feed at the trough.......


and let me say anyone who graduates from law school especially Harvard law is above and beyond….he is of no mean intellect to be sure…..I am NOT belittling his talents,,,,,,..just the gilding of the "man of the people lilly".....thats bullshit....so let it go. Oh and I have news for you, getting an MBA is no bed of roses either, or do I have to trot out a comparative of gores, kerrys and bushes grades in college?

further try comparing Condoleezza Rices upbringing and environment with his....please...she got appointed by talent, he gets votes..I’ll take the talent any day over anyone dem or rep. that can just get votes….to say nothing of the medias reaction to should I say lack there of as compared to Pelosi and Obama as compared to when Rice or Powell was appointed....get real...

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Obama is a hot item because Democrats have Hillary as a front-runner followed by two-failed presidential candidates: Kerry and Gore. Not a very attractive line-up. Seems as though they are trying to rush a J-V Senator into Varsity status, instead of allowing him to become a seasoned politician with executive experience.

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Senators don't do a good job running if they have a massive track record. For the same reason why governors are preffered.

For the record, I think Iowa should be skipped this year because they voted for kerry.

This is kind of a silly statement .. you're suggesting someone with no track record would be a better candidate than a seasoned politician?

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For me this is not really a partisan debate, amd i am certainly no expert on the life of Obama. I have simply read a few things and from those sources he grew up middle class. Do you have any sources to suggest otherwise?

I used to like Powell and Condi Rice as well, but they proved with their devious involvement in international aggression to be more interested in power than in honesty and integrity..... very dissapointing.

Andrew

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my sources are posted ...and as far as "reading a few things” you have in the past made references to cons reading and digesting white house missives and buying them as whole clothe....stings don’t it? because that’s just what you did, buy Dem missives....


and devious involvement? pray tell sources please and that has nothing to do with their intellect or qualifications, which I believe was the thrust of this debate.......


nice try at misdirection but I aint buying....

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In the senate? Yes, and even more so then if they were in the house.

Suppose there was a bill which everyone wanted to pass, lets say an appropriation of funds to protect the environment, but a representative opposing it, attached a bill to slash the department of educations budget 50%. And the bill goes to vote, then it has to be voted against. If he votes for it, he hates teachers, if he votes against it he hates the environment. Now while I'm not referring to any particular law but congress is rife with such occurences

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This is why senators have trouble running for president, and this is why Obama has a better chance, not only since he has been considered a potential candidate and thus could be shielded in part from voting on these issues (if there were already enough votes to kill it, they can have him abstain and have a senator with no presidential ambitions vote against it instead) but more that he won't have run into as many.

Maturity does matter. Personality-wise he is not immature, but there is still time maturity that gives life experience with more insights, etc. If the Dems give him the nod and he wins the general election, he'll be 48. That is a bit young, although JFK and Clinton were younger. It's still a fair factor to evaluate when voting although not everyone gets wiser and personally mature with age, the general rule is obviously the older a person gets it adds to the experience and maturity for good decision making.

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Yes, I did know that, just as you know that I am not equating Obama with any of those people personally, and that I was just citing different people on different aspects to point out that people do win despite a lack of long experience and that personality matters alot. And as for Jesus, I wouldn't add Him if I was actually doing such equations. Not only is Jesus ineligible because He not an American born citizen, the progressives on the far left won't like his religious connections and the far right won't like his presumed stances on socialist agendas, guns, pacifism, etc--He'd get less votes than Nader.

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Perhaps. Or maybe you are just repeating republican missives.


It has alot to do with their qualifications.

Andrew

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