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Obama's cracked the crime problem. We can all rest easy

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"There's a reason they go out and shoot each other," he said. "It's because they don't love themselves. And the reason they don't love themselves is that we are not loving them enough."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...l=chi-news-hed
Thank Goodness, we now have a solution to the crime problem!

Of course, he's also adopted the liberal mantra that we must ban guns as well.

Here now, Mr. Gangbanger, give me that gun. You don't need it anymore. I'm going to give you a hug, and everything will be all better.

Wow.

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Re: Obama's cracked the crime problem. We can all rest easy

All ya need is love....da da da da daaaaaaaaa.....love is all ya need....
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Re: Obama's cracked the crime problem. We can all rest easy

The funniest part of this is that there will be hordes of Obama supporters who are stupid enough to believe that would work...
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Re: Obama's cracked the crime problem. We can all rest easy

Um...that was only one line in the whole article.

His stance seems to be to enforce existing gun laws, and to pass a law banning assault rifles....which is a complete cop-out.

As of now he is my pick for the Dems...this is one issue he clearly is taking the same stance as everyone else - do nothing.
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Did you guys actually read the article? ... But hey, who needs arguments when you got partisanship, right?
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Did you guys actually read the article? ... But hey, who needs arguments when you got partisanship, right?
That's what I was thinking...
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Re: Obama's cracked the crime problem. We can all rest easy

And Matt is always so quick to accuse others of posting inflammatory partisan topics. Lame.
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Re: Obama's cracked the crime problem. We can all rest easy

Yes, I read the article.

His position seems to be that we don't love our criminals enough.

And he wants to re-enact a useless gun ban, because it's better to blame the object that the criminal.

Care to point out something substantive that I missed?

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And Matt is always so quick to accuse others of posting inflammatory partisan topics. Lame.
Care to point out something substantive in Obama's position that I missed, or is your contribution to be limited to name-calling?

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Re: Obama's cracked the crime problem. We can all rest easy

Other snippet from the article:

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Obama called for better enforcement of existing gun laws, tighter background checks on gun buyers and for making an expired assault weapon ban permanent.

"A couple weeks ago, cops found an AK-47 near a West Side school," he said. "That type of weapon belongs on a battlefield, not on the streets of Chicago."

But Obama said the "power of the gun lobby in Washington" has blocked tougher gun laws and enforcement.

"If you want to go hunt, go hunt. Nobody is trying to take your shotgun or rifle away," he said. "But when you've got the gun lobbying saying that we can't use ballistics to trace back where guns came from ... then it is time for us to stand up to the gun lobby and say enough. It is time for a change in Washington."
I'm not a particular fan of banning guns (or of Obama, for that matter, though I like him better than some potential Dem candidates), but I'd be interested in knowing more about this using ballistics to trace guns thing and who, if anyone, is opposing it.
Anyone know more about that?
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Re: Obama's cracked the crime problem. We can all rest easy

Me, too. Sadly, there's nothing is his statement to identify what he's talking about.

As far as trying to take rifles and shotguns away, the new version of the AWB in the Congress (HR 1022) does exactly that, banning nearly every semi-auto shotgun.

We already have thousands and thousands of gun laws. We don't need any new ones. We need to start dealing with the criminals, instead of pretending that some inanimate object made them be criminals.

He might be talking about the programs a couple of states have developed that requires a fired casing to be delivered to the state from every handgun sold.

It sounds good, but in the real world it doesn't work.

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Re: Obama's cracked the crime problem. We can all rest easy

This does give me an idea, though.

Bush, IIRC, told us that there were many OB/GYNs out there who could no longer "practice their love".

And we have a bunch of unloved hoodlums, according to Obama.

Looks like we can fix two problems here......

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Re: Obama's cracked the crime problem. We can all rest easy

Is this thread supposed to be a discussion of a ban on assault weapons or just about making fun of one line in a speech? Politicians say vague things all the time but I guess positive vague comments are worse than negative ones. If he said it was their hate which must be dealt with using strength and determination I'm sure nobody would think as much of it even though it would have been just as vague. Would he look like he dislikes crime more if he is pissed and angry?
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Is this thread supposed to be a discussion of a ban on assault weapons or just about making fun of one line in a speech? Politicians say vague things all the time but I guess positive vague comments are worse than negative ones. If he said it was their hate which must be dealt with using strength and determination I'm sure nobody would think as much of it even though it would have been just as vague. Would he look like he dislikes crime more if he is pissed and angry?
So do you think that he is on the right track with "There's a reason they go out and shoot each other," he said. "It's because they don't love themselves. And the reason they don't love themselves is that we are not loving them enough"?

As to the gun ban part, in all seriousness I might have considered voting for Obama. But unfortunately, he's decided to follow the party line on gun banning. Too bad, because he's said some other things that make sense.

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So do you think that he is on the right track with "There's a reason they go out and shoot each other," he said. "It's because they don't love themselves. And the reason they don't love themselves is that we are not loving them enough"?

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Not really. I just do not think it is unique in that bullshit lines like this can be found out of the mouths of all the candidates. This one just happens to be touchy feely which doesn't set well with our tough guy culture.
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