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Old 02-02-2007
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Refute global warming, win $10K!

Good news, you can earn $10,000 from ExxonMobil (actually, the money is being funneled through the American Enterprise Institute) simply for refuting global warming science! The catch? It's helpful if you have a PhD & are willing to put aside troubling little things like ethics.


Here are some other interesting things that eventually find their way onto FAUX NEWS so that the simple-minded can repeat (despite all evidence to the contrary) their Sean Insanity-imposed mantra: "There's no such thing as human-caused global warming:"

ExxonSecrets Factsheet: American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
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Re: Refute global warming, win $10K!

Yea I had heard about this as well. Guess it pretty much is down to panic time for Bush and the administration when it comes to the science on global warming. Still not sure I agree with everything they are saying in the report summary, however I definately do not agree with paying scientists to come to a specific conclusion. If there were evidence of Greenpeace or some other like minderd group doing it I would not agree with that either.
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Re: Refute global warming, win $10K!

I found this one tonight - personally I think this kind of thing is more of a concern.

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Scientist Says Politicians Edit Global Warming Research

his story originally aired on March 19, 2006.

As a government scientist, James Hansen is taking a risk. He says there are things the White House doesn't want you to hear but he's going to say them anyway.

Hansen is arguably the world's leading researcher on global warming. He's the head of NASA's top institute studying the climate. But as correspondent Scott Pelley first reported last spring, this imminent scientist says that the Bush administration is restricting who he can talk to and editing what he can say. Politicians, he says, are rewriting the science.

But he didn't hold back speaking to Pelley, telling 60 Minutes what he knows.

Asked if he believes the administration is censoring what he can say to the public, Hansen says: "Or they're censoring whether or not I can say it. I mean, I say what I believe if I'm allowed to say it."
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Hansen has a theory that man has just 10 years to reduce greenhouse gases before global warming reaches what he calls a tipping point and becomes unstoppable. He says the White House is blocking that message.

"In my more than three decades in the government I've never witnessed such restrictions on the ability of scientists to communicate with the public," says Hansen.

Restrictions like an e-mail Hansen's institute received from NASA in 2004. "… there is a new review process … ," the e-mail read. "The White House (is) now reviewing all climate related press releases," it continued.

Why the scrutiny of Hansen's work? Well, his Goddard Institute for Space Studies is the source of respected but sobering research on warming. It recently announced 2005 was the warmest year on record. Hansen started at NASA more than 30 years ago, spending nearly all that time studying the earth.
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" object to the fact that I’m not able to freely communicate via the media," says Hansen. "National Public Radio wanted to interview me and they were told they would need to interview someone at NASA headquarters and the comment was made that they didn’t want Jim Hansen going on the most liberal media in America. So I don’t think that kind of decision should be made on that kind of basis. I think we should be able to communicate the science."

Politically, Hansen calls himself an independent and he’s had trouble with both parties. He says, from time to time, the Clinton administration wanted to hear warming was worse that it was. But Hansen refused to spin the science that way.

"Should we be simply doing our science and reporting it rigorously, or to what degree the administration in power has the right to assume that you should be a spokesman for the administration?" asks Hansen. "I've tried to be a straight scientist doing the science and reporting it as best I can."

Dozens of federal agencies report science but much of it is edited at the White House before it is sent to Congress and the public. It appears climate science is edited with a heavy hand. Drafts of climate reports were co-written by Rick Piltz for the federal Climate Change Science Program. But Piltz says his work was edited by the White House to make global warming seem less threatening.

"The strategy of people with a political agenda to avoid this issue is to say there is so much to study way upstream here that we can’t even being to discuss impacts and response strategies," says Piltz. "There’s too much uncertainty. It's not the climate scientists that are saying that, its lawyers and politicians."

Full article: Rewriting The Science, Scientist Says Politicians Edit Global Warming Research - CBS News
I know that here there were reports of some CSIRO scientists not being allowed to make their research on rising sea levels public (maybe a year ago). IT is a real concern to me.

I appreciate that they don't want people to panic, however the reality is that if we are out in the open with it, identifying the 'demons' of global warming and looking at ways to address them, we will be better off.

To be honest I also feel there is an element of racism in the issue. Most of the people who are now directly experiencing impacts og GW are poor brown skinned people. sometimes it seems to me that by pretending its not happening we are leaving htem to a fate that, in large part, has been caused by us wanting to maintain the lifestyle we have, and yet I believe that we will not be doing anything substantial to help them to relocate, or to feed them ... in fact I am pretty sure we will be saying that its their own fault for having too many babies, letting their goats graze in fragile ecosystems, not moving to higher ground (as if this is abundant in various low lying countries), for living where they do ... for not being more industrious and proactive ... etc etc.

Sorry to go off topic Mark - but I think that attempts to distort the information don't only exist in the boardrooms of big business.
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Not at all off-topic. I've also been following Hansen's story for nearly a year now, & though troubling, is not at all surprising. What they're doing to people like Hansen is simply the flip-side of the same coin of paying other scientists to refute Hansen.

These people are beyond irresponsible. I'm greatly chagrined by anyone who can come on here and pretend to support this administration or pretend that there's no problem re: greenhouse gasses. They remind me of the "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" chimp posters that used to be all the rage 20 years back. A bunch of scary puppet-people, that lot.
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I find it amazing and terrifying that the government would edit scientific findings.
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why Sam?

keeping people in the dark and feeding them on bullshit is not unusual as a way of keeping control ...

and it may be even more important in a democracy ....
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Hey, we're just like mushrooms. Kept in the dark & fed shit.

Brilliant!
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Good news, you can earn $10,000 from ExxonMobil (actually, the money is being funneled through the American Enterprise Institute) simply for refuting global warming science! The catch? It's helpful if you have a PhD & are willing to put aside troubling little things like ethics.


Here are some other interesting things that eventually find their way onto FAUX NEWS so that the simple-minded can repeat (despite all evidence to the contrary) their Sean Insanity-imposed mantra: "There's no such thing as human-caused global warming:"

ExxonSecrets Factsheet: American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
How about the fact that the temperature hasn’t risen since the invention of the thermometer.
The .5 degrees is from measuring tolerances…
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How about the fact that the temperature hasn’t risen since the invention of the thermometer.
The .5 degrees is from measuring tolerances…
Hank where do you come up with these erroneous ideas?

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Temperatures recorded this year in the upper 500 metres of sea in the Fram Strait - the gap between Greenland and the Norwegian island of Spitsbergen - were up to 0.6 C higher than in 2003, they said. http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...8/s1187058.htm




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The average global temperature for 2004 of 14.60 degrees Celsius (58.28 degrees Fahrenheit) makes it the fourth warmest year on record. October and November of 2004 were the hottest of those months on record since recordkeeping began in 1880. February of 2004 was the second warmest, and March, April and December were the third warmest of those three months. Eco-Economy Indicators: TEMPERATURE - Global Temperature Rise Accelerating
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Overwhelming odds point to global average temperatures that will rise 4 to 7 degrees over the coming century, according to a new probability analysis by scientists in the United States and Europe. As early as 2030 the planet is likely to heat up 1 to 2 degrees, say the scientists. A one-degree temperature rise was observed over the past century. The study is funded in part by the National Science Foundation (NSF) and appears in the July 20 issue of the journal Science. NSF - OLPA - PR 01-58: GLOBAL 4 TO 7 DEGREE TEMPERATURE RISE LIKELY BY 2100
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How interesting that they are doing this as a contest instead of privately funding the research.
Wonder what the motivation is.
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Hank where do you come up with these erroneous ideas?
Temperatures recorded this year in the upper 500 metres of sea in the Fram Strait - the gap between Greenland and the Norwegian island of Spitsbergen - were up to 0.6 C higher than in 2003, they said.
Do you know how much data they had to throw out to find that particular temp at that particular local.
There very good at counterfeit truth and deceit, didn’t you think it odd they didn’t use -say “Virginia” or kinda mention they didn’t have a 1,700 foot thermometer over a hundred years ago (At that pressure steel would crush, they had like iron…).
Fram Strait, give me a break.
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What makes Greenland and Norway less valid than Virginia?
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They probably did measure Virginia. (And hundreds of other places where they got no results..) That’s who they are, that’s what they do…
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$10,000 isnt much for the amount of time it would take to prove something like that. Face it, neither side can conclusively prove it either way. Its the future. How can you prove the future is going to happen?
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This is kind of interesting.


Official defends editing climate papers - Yahoo! News

Waxman's committee also heard from James Hansen, director of
NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies and one of the country's leading climate scientists, who said the White House repeatedly tried to control what government scientists say to the public and media about climate change.
"Interference with communications of science to the public has been greater during the current administration than at any time in my career," said Hansen, who was one of the first to raise concerns about climate change in the 1980s.
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