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I know drgoodtrips,But im frustrated cause dumbass NASA cant create advanced spacecrafts with the speed so we can explore other planets and hopfuly we all get the hell off the earth.
I tell you what, pal. If this frustrates you so, and you feel those guys at NASA are just a bunch of incompetent, do nothings -- why not go to school, study Physics/Cosmology/Astrodynamics and work for NASA to change what frustrates you? We might be THAT much closer to not only reaching your goal of increased space travel speed, and advancing our knowledge of space travel (if even minutely).

Or you could remain behind the comfort zone of your computer, free to gripe about NASA and calling them 'dumbasses' without actually doing anything about it, and having none of your problem solved.
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Given us time, we will.

As for NASA; blame the Democrats, they were the ones whom reduced funding.






Our fossil fuel subsidy will be used to enrich a corrupt minority of society that can only see a few decades into the future and are counting on the rapture, not on some star-trek utopia.


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We simply don't have the advancements due to not enough interest in the field, hence lack of funding on many fronts (not just Democrats). Astronomy and Astrophysics has taken a backseat to money making and get rich plans in society. Discovery is no longer a priority today.
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I was going to post this exciting news.

FINALLY. I say, FINALLY: we may see some life out there.
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Our fossil fuel subsidy will be used to enrich a corrupt minority of society that can only see a few decades into the future and are counting on the rapture, not on some star-trek utopia.


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That is why I've been a advocate to other means.
Nuclear Fusion is the future IMO....We shouldn't be wasting time and money on areas that we know hold no promise or can't deliver what is expected.
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The chances of us finding it or the chances that it exists? Those are two different things.

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Us finding it.

Consider: If you reduce in scale the sun by one billionth in size.
It would be about 6 ft. in diameter....and the nearest star - about 25,000 miles away..which so happens to be about the circumference of earth at the equator.

So at that scale a spaceship would only be visible in a powerful microscope, moving at a speed barely visible to the eye even under high magnification...to get to the nearest star it would have to circle the globe.

Getting even an unmanned ship to the nearest star moving at fantastic speeds would still take 100,000's of years to get there - which at cosmic scale is about the distance of the keys on your keyboard...space - is huge....life is extremely rare...it is highly improbable - I dare say mathematically impossible that we will find meaningful life in the cosmos.
The only way there is any chance is if the theory that time and distance can be "folded" and fantastic distances can be achieved by figuring out how to travel between the folds...which is not in the physical world as we know it.
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Re: Scientists discover Earth-like planet

I've always found it interesting that people are fixated on determining if a planet can support life, based on life as we know it. Why do we assume that all life forms in the universe must breath oxygen and rely on water for survival? There are other possibilities after all.
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I was going to post this exciting news.

FINALLY. I say, FINALLY: we may see some life out there.
Hold your horses, its still just a very BIG maybe so far. We need a lot more information about this planet than what we have, we don't even know what its atmosphere is like. All it really means is that we've found the first possibly habitable planet in history that isn't earth, and thats a very good step. Though I have to admit, these are better odds than we've ever had before.
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I've always found it interesting that people are fixated on determining if a planet can support life, based on life as we know it. Why do we assume that all life forms in the universe must breath oxygen and rely on water for survival? There are other possibilities after all.
not entirely true.
Our solar system is made up of the same materials and compounds as found all over the solar system, with the same static setup...we are in fact something that is repeated billions of times - not unique.
Therefore it is logical that the same rules apply there(s) as here.
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I know drgoodtrips,But im frustrated cause dumbass NASA cant create advanced spacecrafts with the speed so we can explore other planets and hopfuly we all get the hell off the earth.
Question, whats so wrong with earth that you want to get the hell off? O.o Earth is pretty nice, people aren't always the greatest but they aren't always the worst either.
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Hey, using current earth technology, it would only take us 19,569 years to travel there!

Plus, I'm a little skeptical about the possibility of a planet that is tidally locked to it's sun would be a good supporter of life. One side would be incredibly hot and the other would be incredibly cold. The only real habitable spots would be the areas that straddle the 'back' and 'front' of the planet. I'm very interested how they got the idea that the planet's average temperatures range between 32 and 104 degrees...
We can trasnport the GOP there and then they can report back to us about the environment to see if we should go.
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Given us time, we will.

As for NASA; blame the Democrats, they were the ones whom reduced funding.






And Blame George Bush for not advancing medicene on vetoing the stem cell research bill.I wanna be cured of diabetes and i wanna hear again.
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Us finding it.

Consider: If you reduce in scale the sun by one billionth in size.
It would be about 6 ft. in diameter....and the nearest star - about 25,000 miles away..which so happens to be about the circumference of earth at the equator.

So at that scale a spaceship would only be visible in a powerful microscope, moving at a speed barely visible to the eye even under high magnification...to get to the nearest star it would have to circle the globe.

Getting even an unmanned ship to the nearest star moving at fantastic speeds would still take 100,000's of years to get there - which at cosmic scale is about the distance of the keys on your keyboard...space - is huge....life is extremely rare...it is highly improbable - I dare say mathematically impossible that we will find meaningful life in the cosmos.
The only way there is any chance is if the theory that time and distance can be "folded" and fantastic distances can be achieved by figuring out how to travel between the folds...which is not in the physical world as we know it.
I agree that life may be sufficiently rare and the universe so massively huge that the raw chances of us stumbling upon it are very low.

However, I don't understand how you can say for certain that life is rare? It might not be rare. We don't really have a large enough sample in which to judges that conclusively.

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Exciting stuff if it does indeed have water and thus life. Problem is that so far that isn't proven yet, and wont be proven anytime soon.
Not until probes reach that planet, and that should take a while, with current technology.

But don't be fooled to think it would take that long..
200 years ago SteamEngine was awesome and terrible engine of machine-power, humans were shooting eachothers with muskets and medicine was somewhat unreliable.
100 years ago technological innovations were just beginning to spark new inventions, humans were shooting eachothers with brand new bolt-action rifles and medicine had found exiting little buggers floating around.
40 years ago space had been reached, computers were past infancy and medicine could operate inside human bodies.

We move at incredible pace. Wonder how long it will take to make better ion engines to have more able explorers.

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Plus its 20.5 light-years away, which can't be traveled in a lifetime or even two, heck it'd take at least 260 generations of a spaceship filled with a group of fertile young men and women (though they're mostly likely not going to stay fertile, and the numbers aren't likely to stay that precise).
That is why science is investigating the possibility of hypersleep, where number of people are frozen untill the destination, but again, we need more advanced technology to accomplish that..poor mice.

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Much more efficient to grow human life on a spaceship, if not entire ethical or as much fun. Of course this assumes we have a spacecraft big enough that could not only support human life but support human life for a very very long time, which we don't, and are physically/mentally capable of staying in space that long which we probably aren't.
You must understand that humans could travel that way, living in mobile city until reached wanted destination. Food production and maintenace of large number of humans is possible, but exeptionally costly. And meantality would change over only one generation.
And spaceborn humans would have different speech, and understanding. (cloud, rain, sky, mud, dirt, wild animal, river, ocean... all obsolete words without any meanings to them)

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Until then, get used to Earth, because we're going to be here for a while. Its not like its such a bad place, the people aren't always the greatest, but eh you can live with that. Indeed, I like the earth, you can go ahead and blow yourself to outer space but count me out. All this discovery really does is give us the possibility for life and as such we should be able to find an even better candidate. Yay, lets discovery life on another planet and in-slave it, bomb it out of existence, or turn it into us (assuming it has such a large brain in the first place).
I would like the idea of new colonization, at the very best it would help this planet, as number of humans would reduce. But granted, human nature involved, many things would go wrong.
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America should send George W. Bush (and Dick Cheney, too) to bring democracy to this new planet.
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