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ahoy all,
as Mr. Hagel seems to be bound fer his cabinet seat, some troublin' questions haven't been answered 'bout Mr. Hagel's past, aye?
Breitbart.com told that Chuck Hagel took money from “Friends of Hamas.” | RedStateOn Thursday, Senate sources told Breitbart News exclusively that they have been informed that one of the reasons that President Barack Obama’s nominee for Secretary of Defense, Chuck Hagel, has not turned over requested documents on his sources of foreign funding is that one of the names listed is a group purportedly called “Friends of Hamas.”
That is quite the accusation, and it gives the Left a rare opportunity to go after the Breitbart constellation of websites. All they have to do to debunk it is to have Hagel reveal his foreign donors. I mean, how likely is it that the White house could have messed up vetting Chuck Hagel that badly…
Called for comment and reached via telephone, Associate Communications Director at the White House Eric Schultz identified himself, heard the question, was silent for several seconds, and then hung up the phone immediately without comment.
…Well now.
the story hath grown, and the media won't let this story go away.
what be the truth?
The PJ Tatler » ‘Friends of Hamas,’ Friend of Chuck Hagel?Breitbart called the White House to ask about this development. White House Associate Communications Director Eric Schultz went silent, then hung up. Repeated attempts to call him back went to voicemail.
Even more disturbing than the possibility that Hagel has accepted funding from Friends of Hamas (Hamas is the terrorist group that governs the Palestinian territories), is the possibility that President Obama knew of the connection, but nominated Hagel to the nation’s top defense post anyway.
what is the White House hiding? Senator Rand Paul himself be "concerned" 'bout the Hamas connection to Mr. Hagel.
The Hugh Hewitt ShowHugh Hewitt: Let me bring up one piece of information that Ben Shapiro at Breitbart put out today, which is one of the foreign funders behind Senator Hagel that he has not yet disclosed formally is something called Friends Of Hamas. If that is in fact true, Senator, would that lead you to vote against Mr. Hagel?
Rand Paul: You know, I saw that information today, also, and that is more and more concerning. With each day, there are new things coming out. So part of me wonders if the nomination continues to go on, and we’ll see how that goes. There are also either some organizations or corporations he’s been involved with that people, Ted Cruz in particular, has been asking are there any foreign contributors.
Senator Ted Cruz hath also raised the issue 'o the "extremist funding" that Mr. Hagel hath received.
why hasn't this issue been addressed, and how could a "Friend of Hamas" ascend to the skipper's bridge?
aye?
- MeadHallPirate
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Where does your New York Times stand on this story?
The modern Liberal is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. OMD
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ahoy OldmanDan,Originally Posted by OldmanDan
i heard on NPR (i just got the NPR app fer me Iphone5, its wonderful and mighty!) that Senator Cruz was downright hostile when he questioned Mr. Hagel.
i also cited 3 credible sources in me OP.
i can go read the NYT later though, and give ye thar take on it. i have a subscription, so i can check it out fer ye.
Rand Paul be "concerned". how do ye feel 'bout all 'o this?
- MeadHallPirate
Secretary of State
It's a witchhunt the likes of which would make Eugene McCarthy proud.
Moderator
There are quite a few Democrats who oppose him too. Guess they're witch hunters too.
The modern Liberal is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. OMD
Secretary of State
Correction: Joe McCarthy. As in "Tailgunner Joe." Eugene was a liberal Democrat.
Moderator
I asked the question because the sites that you cited are pretty much conservative sites. I have seen little of this being posted on any of the lib sites. Are they ignoring it or do they consider the allegations false?
Personally, I think he is a poor choice and so do quite a few Democrats. I see no hurry to confirm him as the DOD is doing just fine without him.
The modern Liberal is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. OMD
Vice President
And ran for president. I supported him in the primaries. Eugene, that is. The anti war canidate or so we viewed him.
In regards to OP, I am in a bit of shock, since this reportedly involves Friends of Hamas.
I hope its just another hysterical, politically driven witch hunt, and we burn the accusers this time around. They always seem to do well after they are proven to be idiots.
"Like every other good thing in this world, leisure and culture have to be paid for. Fortunately, however, it is not the leisured and the cultured who have to pay." Aldous Huxley.
Secretary of State
With 3 credible sources there is cause for concern, but the story just sounds all kinds of wrong. I'd find that hard to believe.
If a man were behind four months on his mortgage and was talking to you about his plans to build an addition on his home you would think him daft and delusional. But in Washington, ignoring a current crisis to discuss grand dreams is called “boldness” and “vision.”
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There are plenty of qualified people to be Secretary of Defense. Why cling to Hagel?
The modern Liberal is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. OMD
Vice President
Probably because no one likes to be jerked around by the opposing party. It is a human nature thing.
The question also is, why would the opposing party try to throw the monkey wrench in the gears of Obama? At each and every opportunity? I mean, I know this had kinda always perhaps gone on, but it doesn't seem to be to this degree.
Is it personal? Or simply ideological? Or something else?
"Like every other good thing in this world, leisure and culture have to be paid for. Fortunately, however, it is not the leisured and the cultured who have to pay." Aldous Huxley.
Moderator
This opposition to Hagel is not just a Republican thing. Research it. If the Democrats wanted him, he would be in by now.
The modern Liberal is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. OMD
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ahoy Eric,
thar be a fourth source too, no less than a sittin' US Senator - Mr. Ted Cruz.
Is this the new McCarthyism? Ted Cruz’s innuendo war against HagelCruz took another recent jab at Hagel, saying he may have received $200,000 from North Korea.
“He could not even say that the $200,000 he received did not come directly from a foreign government…It is at a minimum relevant to know if that $200,000 deposited in his bank account came directly from Saudi Arabia, came directly from North Korea.”
even if Mr. Hagel served the nation in congress and performed heroically in a war many decades ago, i see a problem if he's been secretly takin' monies from Friends of Hamas or any other kind 'o extremist, anti-american group.
even the left leanin' MSNBC be reportin' on it.
aye.
- MeadHallPirate
Vice President
I watched the hearing on CSPAN. I only saw repubs trying to clean his plow. Granted this was a cameo look, and I might spend some of my time in looking about the net. It just wasn't obvious there in the hearing. I saw several repubs doing what they do best, being nasty, LOL. I mean, why the nastiness? Questions can be asked without the vitriole, but I understand that these public hearings are used by politicians to masturbate their constituents, to create a good circus while bringing satisfaction to their voters. Old human nature once again affecting things. Boy, this human nature thing seems to seep into everything we do. Oughta be a law against it! ROFLAO. Well, we have regulated various things to try to combat human nature, but the repubs don't like that. They believe in the natural course of doing things, I reckon. Like, greed is very natural, so let us celebrate it instead of fighting it. Go with the flow and all of that rot.
"Like every other good thing in this world, leisure and culture have to be paid for. Fortunately, however, it is not the leisured and the cultured who have to pay." Aldous Huxley.
Secretary of State
I agree. This is a very troubling story. I have a hard time believing that Hagel would take money from those sources. I want to be fair, give the man the benefit of doubt before convicting him of anything.
I recall the multiple sources supporting the WMDs in Iraq, which didn't turn out to be there. I'm not inclined to go forth without doubts a second time, until near court level quality of evidence is presented. I'd do this for anyone.
If a man were behind four months on his mortgage and was talking to you about his plans to build an addition on his home you would think him daft and delusional. But in Washington, ignoring a current crisis to discuss grand dreams is called “boldness” and “vision.”
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